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The Craig And Greg Show: Lead With Empathy

June 27, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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Empathy is an essential trait for leaders, but it’s not innate in any of us. As I joked, “behind ‘mama’ and ‘dada,’ the first word most babies learn is ‘mine.’” The skill of empathy is like a muscle, the more we practice, the stronger it gets. In this episode, Greg and I discuss why empathy is so important for leaders, and give helpful advice on how to remain proficient in your use of empathy.

[0:24] Empathy is a powerful leadership skill that underlines so many other leadership skills.
[1:08] Empathy has to be earned.
[3:07] What blocks empathy in leaders?
[4:02] When you start learning empathy it will feel awkward, but you have to stick with it.
[5:06] Empathy ≠ sympathy, but it is caring.
[7:07] How do leaders show their empathy to their teammates?
[10:10] Here is an example of how to express empathy.
[12:22] What lessons can we learn when we misfire on empathy?
[14:03] Three things Greg has worked on to enhance empathy.
[16:32] Sometimes leaders do for one team member what they cannot do for all.
[19:51] Leaders need empathetic eyes, ears, and heart. There is a huge leadership power in this.
[21:59] Greg shares an interesting study reported in Forbes.
[25:15] One of the most powerful leadership attributes is simply the leader’s availability.

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The Craig And Greg Show: When Sheep Bite

June 13, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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As you may have heard, I have written a new book! In this episode Greg and I sit down and chat about When Sheep Bite, and discuss how the valuable lessons it provides are critical for leaders of any organization.

[0:21] I have a confession to make…
[1:43] This book is for both business leaders and church leaders.
[3:07] Attacks usually lead to to fight-or-flight, but When Sheep Bite offers a new response.
[5:21] It’s healthy to validate our feelings when we’ve been hurt, but then good leaders go deeper.
[8:39] Empathy is health, but making excuses is not healthy.
[10:37] Watch out for the sneaky bite of flattery.
[11:26] Leaders who have been hurt have to guard against harboring that hurt.
[13:23] Leaders need to learn how to confront misbehavior correctly.
[14:46] In order for sheep to bite, and in order for the shepherd to lead, they have to be close to each other. How do both sheep and shepherds set boundaries?
[17:46] We can disagree but we cannot disrespect!
[19:49] Bitterness can rob a leader of vitality, so we have to find effective ways to heal.
[22:46] Fight-or-flight is natural, but we need to strive for the supernatural response of faithfulness to our calling.
[23:40] In many ways WSB points to what a good coach does. Contact Maximize Leadership about how our coaching huddles can help your leadership soar—get in touch with us!

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The Craig And Greg Show: Remembering The Details

May 30, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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Greg and I think that a great way to take your leadership to the next level is by paying attention to people. Keeping an eye out for the small details and remembering them shows people you care, which in turn makes them much more receptive to the leadership you want to pour into their lives.

[0:15] Memorial Day is coming up
[0:54] Great leaders remember the little details about others
[3:05] We share how leaders can leverage their retention of the details of others’ lives
[6:37] Exceptional leaders give way more than they take
[8:21] How do we get out of our own way so we can get to know others better?
[10:47] Greg and I both have some personal examples of how we learned to remember the details
[14:26] Leaders can lift up those around them by just doing the little things well
[16:24] John Maxwell wrote a “people principle” that I unpack
[17:47] Greg learned a lesson from his grandparents about “taking a drive” to observe important people and places
[18:58] A powerful quote from John Ash
[22:55] Make every day special for others
[24:00] Greg and I can help you grow as a leader—get in touch with us!

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Continuing To Walk With God

May 23, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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My leadership podcast partner Greg Heeres and I were discussing a leader’s epitaph. Greg asked me an unusual question: What did I want to be said on my own epitaph?

Take a listen to this snippet from The Craig and Greg Show—

The story I told about Enoch can be found in Genesis 5:3-24 and Hebrews 11:5-6.

I’ve also blogged a couple of times about Enoch: “And then he died…” and “Walking intimately.”

You can watch the full Craig and Greg Show episode that this clip from by clicking here.

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The Craig And Greg Show: Goals Instead Of Gossip

May 9, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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When you are in a leadership role it is unavoidable that you will occasionally have to talk about people. Perhaps it’s gathering more information or discussing an incident with a fellow leader. However, we have to be very careful that these discussions don’t cross the line into gossip. Gossip is toxic for your organization, and left unchecked can lead to disastrous results. Check out this episode where Greg and I discuss how to make your conversations about goals instead of gossip.

[0:31] Leaders have to have lots of conversations on different levels—how do they do this without gossiping about their teammates?
[1:32] Leaders need to have a goal for each of their conversations.
[3:39] What holds leaders back from having the productive (but difficult) conversations?
[6:02] Leaders need to be careful of the diabolic nature of gossip.
[8:58] We need to try to make all of our conversations constructive for us, our teammates, and the entire organization.
[11:01] Productive, healthy conversations must become a part of your organization’s culture.
[13:09] Do your teammates totally trust that you, as their leader, have their best in mind?
[16:51] Leaders need to prioritize transparency at all levels of the organization.
[18:36] Leaders can empower their teammates to make healthy changes.
[22:33] With the privilege of leadership come responsibility. Greg and I can help you raise your leadership impact through our coaching services.

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Talk To Difficult Peers

May 2, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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When we have a difficult coworker or team member, it’s very easy to fall into the trap of talking about them to others and avoid talking directly to them.

Check out this portion of the conversation Greg and I had on our leadership podcast called The Craig and Greg Show. This is from an episode called “Leading difficult peers.”

Getting counsel from others about this difficult person is important, but then we must use those insights to have a productive conversation directly with that team member. If we don’t talk directly to them, we’re ultimately gossiping about them, which is never productive. In fact, that gossiping will actually make the situation worse.

You can check out the full Craig and Greg Show episode on this topic here.

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The Craig And Greg Show: Thinking About The End

April 25, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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Have you thought about what you’d like said at your funeral? Stick with me here, this isn’t an episode about contemplating your death. In this episode, Greg and I want to encourage you to begin with the end in mind, and live as the type of leader that you picture yourself being remembered as.

[0:15] Hang with us on this one: We’d like you to take a moment to think about your funeral.
[3:15] We could think of our own epitaph like we’re building a house.
[4:14] Greg asks me what I would like on my epitaph.
[6:00] We aren’t talking about planning our funeral, but about doing lasting and beneficial things with “the dash” between our birth date and our death date.
[9:20] There is a leadership caution when we’re thinking about this topic.
[10:21] Greg has been thinking about one word that could sum up his life.
[13:31] Here’s what we need to live for today.
[15:41] I give an example of someone whose character and reputation didn’t align.
[18:09] I brag on something special Greg does for others.
[20:54] How do leaders get beyond themselves?
[24:05] We need to be living our leadership story every single day.

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The Standard Of The Leader

April 18, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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Good leaders hold themselves—at a minimum—to the same standard for the rest of their team. But the best leaders hold themselves to an even higher standard.

Check out this humorous story that makes this point so clear.

Check out this full conversation Greg and I had on an episode of The Craig and Greg Show called “Be honest with yourself.”

In Proverbs 19, wise King Solomon shares a whole list of blessings for those who live with integrity. And on the flip side, you may want to check out my post Don’t putrefy your leadership.

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The Craig And Greg Show: Be Honest With Yourself

April 11, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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Honesty is a vital part of a successful organization, something that every good leader is well aware of. However, when was the last time you asked the question, “Am I being honest with myself?” In this episode, Greg and I unpack how honest self-reflection is a powerful tool to help improve your leadership.

[0:14] A challenging quote to kick off this episode.
[1:14] My breakthrough moment regarding my own self-assessment.
[3:37] What’s the difference between who I think I am and who I really am?
[6:00] We all operate with certain assumptions about ourselves.
[7:37] We share some good and bad experiences with interactions we have observed from other leaders.
[10:27] Leaders need to hold themselves to the same standards as the rest of their team.
[13:47] Why do leaders hesitate to self-evaluate?
[15:19] How do leaders create a safe environment to self-evaluate?
[18:45] Greg sends us down a rabbit trail!
[19:53] What does leadership integrity look like?
[22:17] Leaders need to know what their tendencies are.

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The Craig And Greg Show: Skill And Will

March 28, 2024 — Craig T. Owens

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When every quality is distilled down, the two things a leader is looking for in a teammate are skill and will. Which one should come first, and what happens if you identify a deficiency in yourself or others in one of these areas? Greg and I tackle these questions, and much more, in this episode of The Craig and Greg Show.

[0:25] What goes into the hiring decision? We think there are two important categories.
[1:14] What are some key leadership skills?
[3:53] Which comes first—skill or the will to use the skill?
[4:49] Some skills are innate and some are learned.
[6:17] Willpower makes the skills go farther and work more effectively.
[8:44] Leaders love to coach those with hustle.
[11:03] Is there a trigger for someone’s willpower to kick in?
[13:18] Leaders sometimes need to adopt a no-matter-what willpower.
[13:59] Top skills that emerging leaders should cultivate.
[17:00] Positivity is an attractive quality.
[18:21] Leaders can help their teammates learn skills and willpower.
[19:52] We need to help people overcome the pull to quit too soon.

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